Request for observations: Q0957+561 (Twin Quasar) - A General Relativity “lab” for amateurs

As an amateur astronomer, I’m posting this to ask others who follow AGN and quasars to add the Twin Quasar, Q0957+561, to their programs and observe it regularly over long periods.

WHAT IT IS

Q0957+561 (m~16.5) is a single distant quasar whose light is gravitationally lensed by a foreground galaxy. What we call images A and B are not two separate quasars — they are two images of the same source, with light following different paths through spacetime. The foreground lens lies at about z ≈ 0.36; the background quasar at about z ≈ 1.41. The two images are separated by roughly 6 arcseconds, so many amateur setups can record A and B separately on good nights.

WHY IT MATTERS

Because the paths differ, the same intrinsic brightening or fading of the quasar reaches us at two different times. Measuring that time delay is a classic way to test General Relativity in strong gravitational lensing and to use lenses for cosmology. This is one of the few objects where equipment typical of amateurs can still yield data that feed into measuring a General Relativity effect — not only “another faint dot,” but timing of variability in two lensed images.

WHAT VARIABILITY TO EXPECT

Like other quasars, the intrinsic source can vary on the order of about 0.5 mag (and sometimes more) over months to years. The goal for lens science is to see the same event twice: first in one image, then in the other after the time delay (on the order of hundreds of days for this system, depending on which image leads and the exact model). Cross-correlating the light curves of A and B is how the delay is measured from data.

WHAT WE NEED FROM OBSERVERS

  • Add Q0957+561 A and Q0957+561 B to your target list. You already have the AAVSO VSX entries created as QSO B0957+5608A and QSO B0957+5608B. I have uploaded some observations.
  • You can use the AAVSO X42126AS as a comparison star chart.
  • Prefer filters comparable across observers (e.g. a standard broadband filter) and consistent comparison stars. Also, visual observations are welcome.
  • Prefer long time coverage: lens time-delay work needs many nights spread over months and years.

If enough of us build clean, parallel light curves for A and B, we contribute real experimental material for one of the best-studied gravitational lenses on the sky. I’ll be working this field too and hope others will join in.

REFERENCES

Clear skies,
Benjamín Chardí

As someone who is very interested in GA, I’m not only happy to help but thrilled about the idea of a “lab”. A couple of questions:

  1. Do you have any recommendations for exposure time, frequency of observation, and any suggested filters?
  2. Regarding the “lab” aspect, how can we tell/know this is the same star being gravitationally lensed? Forgive my ignorance in this regard, as I have only slightly more than a superficial understanding of GR. However, I do a lot of outreach, which includes a talk on GR and gravitational collapse in star death. So being able to go deeper is an exciting.

I will begin scheduling some observations. Any guidance welcome.

I can answer at least a part of that. It’s not actually a star that’s being gravitationally lensed. It’s actually a single distant galaxy in Ursa Major that is being lensed into a double image around a closer galaxy. The closer galaxy is very faint and what we actually see is the two images of the distant galaxy behind it, not the closer galaxy.

I’ve seen this visually through a 25" telescope. It’s not too hard to see the fuzzy spot that is actually the two combined lensed images of the distant galaxy. Splitting it visually into two distinct spots is a lot harder. Good seeing helps a lot because the separation is very small.

-Walt

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There’s a wikipedia page on it too and lots of additional info on the web. Just google “twin quasar.”

-Walt

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Hi!,

We can say that the same Quasar is the source of the double image because both images A and B have the same spectrum. Here you can see a diagram of the object

Here you can find more details about it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Quasar

For my observations, I am using a 10’ F6 SC telescope with a CMOS camera using a V filter with 20minutes of exposure images.

In case someone wants to try this, it would probably be best to adopt comp stars near the quasar twin. As best I could tell the chart ID above is for some other part of the sky. Centered near: 10 01 20 +55 53 (J2000) is an asterism of stars frequently adopted in the literature for the QSO. Looking at the ATLAS ‘refcat2’ griz catalogue and transforming to B,V using the Kostov & Bonev relations, I get the table stripped-in below. Four lines for each star show the ‘refcat2’ g,r,i magnitudes, errors underneath, then my derived V,B,B-V and the APASS V,B,B-V.
There is a suitable finder chart in the Bill Keel paper cited at the top. Note especially that the photometric errors are about 10 times smaller than for APASS, although the APASS zero-point seems to be about right overall. To be correct, you have to include the errors in the comp star data in quadrature with your internal errors in reporting data to AAVSO.
There is a large literature on the variations in this object. See especially papers by Rudy Schild. The early papers from the 1980s are well worth digging out via SIMBAD, since they often deal with early CCD data with fairly small telescopes, and thus are relevant to data-reduction techniques with current small(er) telescopes.

\Brian

finder chart

Transformation of Pan-STARRS1 gri to Stetson BVRI magnitudes.
Photometry of small bodies

field center: 10 01 20 +55 53 (J2000)

Name RA (J2000) Dec g r i remarks
V B B-V
GSC 3817-1014 10 00 59.94 +55 52 44.8 12.950 12.725 12.678 F5V Keel 1 V=12.83, B-V=0.42
.020 .020 .020
12.818 13.271 0.453
12.795 13.256 0.462 APASS n=31,6

GSC 3817-1188 10 01 27.73 +55 53 28.5 15.055 14.444 14.200 G8IV Keel 5 V=14.76, B-V=0.86
.009 .009 .009
14.728 15.590 0.862
14.739 15.665 0.926 APASS n=25,5

GSC 3817-1251 10 01 28.12 +55 52 07.4 15.437 14.976 14.813
.008 .008 .008
15.186 15.888 0.702
15.186 15.891 0.705 APASS n=18,4

GSC 3817-1113 10 01 28.90 +55 52 26.7 15.760 15.249 15.061
.008 .008 .008
15.483 16.239 0.756
15.561 16.409 0.847 APASS n=9,3

GSC 3817-1159 10 01 36.05 +55 53 42.3 14.459 14.182 14.094 F5/8V Keel 3 V=14.31, B-V=0.48
.009 .010 .009
14.300 14.809 0.509
14.318 14.771 0.452 APASS n=28,5

GSC 3817-1100 10 01 38.69 +55 54 25.0 14.510 14.210 14.116 G0V Keel 4 V=14.33, B-V=0.57
.008 .008 .008
14.340 14.872 0.532
14.373 14.803 0.430 APASS n=30,5

GSC 3817-0963 10 01 40.73 +55 52 14.2 14.195 13.889 13.794 G2V Keel 2 V=14.02, B-V=0.54
.008 .008 .008
14.022 14.561 0.539
14.038 14.539 0.500 APASS n=28,5

You can use the official AAVSO chart for the double quasar; https://apps.aavso.org/vsp/chart/?chartid=X42126GKC

Benja

Also, you can review the light curves generated with the observations using the AAVSO LCG (https://www.aavso.org/LCGv2/) and writing the QSR images names (QSO B0957+5608A , QSO B0957+5608B) in the start name field.

Benja